2006.04.06
welcome back to class!
next coming weeks:
student presentations
deception - ethics and motivations
faces
gifts - complex issue!
diff kinds (distinguish)
1. personal gifts between two people ("presents")
inefficient, indicate knowledge of the relationship
2. public gifts - community, charity ("gifts")
presents
are wishlists a problem?
publicly known - not exactly risky to fulfill something proclaimed
not something special, public list
raising the bar: more costly to get something that indicates knowledge of the friend, given that a lot of the knowledge is already public
efficient
buy something different, a surprise, not directly claimed on the list
if you have a wishlist and dont get what's on it - what is the receiver's response?
are they happy to get something they 'requested', or could be possibly pleasantly surprised?
economics of gifts is a bit irrational
gifts are difference from commerce
importance of reciprocity (back-and-forth giving)
chinese village: important to return gifts back and forth
lot of quantity of gifts
if you stop gifting, strong signal that you dont want to continue the relationship
gift as object vs. signal to represent the relationship
things in wishlist have a range
givers have to figure out which of those items is appropriate to give ($2 pen vs $500 stereo)
commercial transaction - 'fair/even' and reciprocal exchange (the people themselves are irrelevant)
gifts - more about the message meaning on the relationship
*the exchange is about defining, or changing, the social relationship between the giver and the receiver*
thoughts on wishlists on dating sites?
pallavi: dating sites are mostly superficial, the gifting is another 'checkbox' or option to perform, removes the personal essence
orkan: however, add more cost
jeevan: indicating knowledge of a person, hard to do on dating site because (at first) you dont know that much about them except what's on there already.
lower the amount of spurious first contacts.
receive gift of chocolates - is it because they like me? or if they have the money to do so? if gifts are not monetary-based (email, poem, drawing), signal of personal effort.
some gifts are safer or riskier than others. flowers and chocolates? more a signal of a 'start' but i want to get to know you better. spend a little bit of resource. signaling establishing relationship without making a huge personal statement.
virtual gifts.
mirja: ecards and stuff can reveal the taste / aesthetics / style of the sender. access the 'quality' of the gift.
how do you mediate space between individuals?
write something about themselves -- music they like, movies they like
it's not an explicit wishlist, and not about the expense, but more about 'how well are you listening' and understanding me
dating site can mediate the mailing / posting address
russian bride sites: click to send chocolate! or flowers!
tying together a community
gifts starting a chain of reciprocity
"bad gifts" -- from people that you dont want that type of relationship with
frictionless commerce - no effort for social interaction (politeness, awkward)
use technology to get rid of all friction? smooth, easy transaction
efficiency != gift giving
dating sites ... move toward frictionless dating
how to prevent exploitation - to just get what you want
*culture of reciprocity*
interesting - a dating site around fundraising
instead of a personal gift, more a charitable donation in their name
signals are the causes you're interested in, happy to do in their name
seth: put a mixtape or playlist together, exchange discussion about music knowledge and taste; miss the physicality of analog tapes (time investment)
mixtapes: a good gift, tells a bit about you, them, the relationship ('our song'), stuff they like, stuff you think they would like, expressive, lots of effort
gift wrapping - the idea of opening/ revealing / ripping / presentation
japan - presentation is paramount to the actual object
more an abstraction of a present - more the idea/thought/wrapping
money as a gift?
the physicality of paper - cash -
gifts in open source communities.
aaron: not exactly clear who the recipient is.
online - who is that out there? depends on the individual.
expectations of returns? if you dont get what you expect, if it's not worth the time, drop out of the project.
orkan: muliple levels of benefit - public good, donation, sharing, copies of your work.
jeevan: in charity - a gift is given and that's it. open-source, more of a personal investment.
charity - gifts are always in flux, and also it's bout who's there to the benefit
competing for status, how fancy you are, what trendy causes. benefits are context of 'doing good', legitate means for showing off being fancy.
conspicious consumption
veblen: wives are the proxies to show status (her fancy display of clothing indicates the status of her husband)
charity - being part of an elite. cost to be part of the community.
open-source - cost for time / effort to being social in this community
new yorker article
this guy wanted to be in this community, wanted to promise lots of
wanted recognition for his gifts
movie stars will participant in community theatre
giving money to a charity - not that ambiguous about who's the direct beneficiary for particular benefits
a performance - ambiguous -- performer or audience? bad or good quality? saving face / being polite / showing talent?
how to give credit where it's due? not just the people at the front of the line. recognition.
gifts (and other things): systems are not so much straightforward
metaphors - important on how you design or critique a system
when you move into virtual world - enabling something to happen (button to click versus a more costly method)
presentations:
jeevan - optionstudio
online art exchange with virtual currency (in 'buraks')
profile: transaction history, tags, list of contacts
posit: artwork functions (in part) to signal the status of its creator
how do artists learn of their status?
- verbal feedback
- awards, favours
- money
non linguistic feedback? currency.
public knowledge - how much each person has
relative wealth - spend your last $10 buraks on something
how to access artist status through currency
indication of number? population growth of users (sub-cultures of taste)?
co-located offline/online feedback
signaling: receiver pays the cost of being involved with an artist / art
quality: both monetary value + provenance (history of buyers)
tension art world - real world, art is hung in your home, public association, cost in living with it.
biased toward the creative types.
next week: seth + more presentations.
next coming weeks:
student presentations
deception - ethics and motivations
faces
gifts - complex issue!
diff kinds (distinguish)
1. personal gifts between two people ("presents")
inefficient, indicate knowledge of the relationship
2. public gifts - community, charity ("gifts")
presents
are wishlists a problem?
publicly known - not exactly risky to fulfill something proclaimed
not something special, public list
raising the bar: more costly to get something that indicates knowledge of the friend, given that a lot of the knowledge is already public
efficient
buy something different, a surprise, not directly claimed on the list
if you have a wishlist and dont get what's on it - what is the receiver's response?
are they happy to get something they 'requested', or could be possibly pleasantly surprised?
economics of gifts is a bit irrational
gifts are difference from commerce
importance of reciprocity (back-and-forth giving)
chinese village: important to return gifts back and forth
lot of quantity of gifts
if you stop gifting, strong signal that you dont want to continue the relationship
gift as object vs. signal to represent the relationship
things in wishlist have a range
givers have to figure out which of those items is appropriate to give ($2 pen vs $500 stereo)
commercial transaction - 'fair/even' and reciprocal exchange (the people themselves are irrelevant)
gifts - more about the message meaning on the relationship
*the exchange is about defining, or changing, the social relationship between the giver and the receiver*
thoughts on wishlists on dating sites?
pallavi: dating sites are mostly superficial, the gifting is another 'checkbox' or option to perform, removes the personal essence
orkan: however, add more cost
jeevan: indicating knowledge of a person, hard to do on dating site because (at first) you dont know that much about them except what's on there already.
lower the amount of spurious first contacts.
receive gift of chocolates - is it because they like me? or if they have the money to do so? if gifts are not monetary-based (email, poem, drawing), signal of personal effort.
some gifts are safer or riskier than others. flowers and chocolates? more a signal of a 'start' but i want to get to know you better. spend a little bit of resource. signaling establishing relationship without making a huge personal statement.
virtual gifts.
mirja: ecards and stuff can reveal the taste / aesthetics / style of the sender. access the 'quality' of the gift.
how do you mediate space between individuals?
write something about themselves -- music they like, movies they like
it's not an explicit wishlist, and not about the expense, but more about 'how well are you listening' and understanding me
dating site can mediate the mailing / posting address
russian bride sites: click to send chocolate! or flowers!
tying together a community
gifts starting a chain of reciprocity
"bad gifts" -- from people that you dont want that type of relationship with
frictionless commerce - no effort for social interaction (politeness, awkward)
use technology to get rid of all friction? smooth, easy transaction
efficiency != gift giving
dating sites ... move toward frictionless dating
how to prevent exploitation - to just get what you want
*culture of reciprocity*
interesting - a dating site around fundraising
instead of a personal gift, more a charitable donation in their name
signals are the causes you're interested in, happy to do in their name
seth: put a mixtape or playlist together, exchange discussion about music knowledge and taste; miss the physicality of analog tapes (time investment)
mixtapes: a good gift, tells a bit about you, them, the relationship ('our song'), stuff they like, stuff you think they would like, expressive, lots of effort
gift wrapping - the idea of opening/ revealing / ripping / presentation
japan - presentation is paramount to the actual object
more an abstraction of a present - more the idea/thought/wrapping
money as a gift?
the physicality of paper - cash -
gifts in open source communities.
aaron: not exactly clear who the recipient is.
online - who is that out there? depends on the individual.
expectations of returns? if you dont get what you expect, if it's not worth the time, drop out of the project.
orkan: muliple levels of benefit - public good, donation, sharing, copies of your work.
jeevan: in charity - a gift is given and that's it. open-source, more of a personal investment.
charity - gifts are always in flux, and also it's bout who's there to the benefit
competing for status, how fancy you are, what trendy causes. benefits are context of 'doing good', legitate means for showing off being fancy.
conspicious consumption
veblen: wives are the proxies to show status (her fancy display of clothing indicates the status of her husband)
charity - being part of an elite. cost to be part of the community.
open-source - cost for time / effort to being social in this community
new yorker article
this guy wanted to be in this community, wanted to promise lots of
wanted recognition for his gifts
movie stars will participant in community theatre
giving money to a charity - not that ambiguous about who's the direct beneficiary for particular benefits
a performance - ambiguous -- performer or audience? bad or good quality? saving face / being polite / showing talent?
how to give credit where it's due? not just the people at the front of the line. recognition.
gifts (and other things): systems are not so much straightforward
metaphors - important on how you design or critique a system
when you move into virtual world - enabling something to happen (button to click versus a more costly method)
presentations:
jeevan - optionstudio
online art exchange with virtual currency (in 'buraks')
profile: transaction history, tags, list of contacts
posit: artwork functions (in part) to signal the status of its creator
how do artists learn of their status?
- verbal feedback
- awards, favours
- money
non linguistic feedback? currency.
public knowledge - how much each person has
relative wealth - spend your last $10 buraks on something
how to access artist status through currency
indication of number? population growth of users (sub-cultures of taste)?
co-located offline/online feedback
signaling: receiver pays the cost of being involved with an artist / art
quality: both monetary value + provenance (history of buyers)
tension art world - real world, art is hung in your home, public association, cost in living with it.
biased toward the creative types.
next week: seth + more presentations.
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